tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post7601328625843129144..comments2024-03-12T16:53:52.795-04:00Comments on Crypto-Catholic Libertine: Mad Men, The Strategy addendumJules Aiméhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-42052766944452897012014-05-30T11:08:57.648-04:002014-05-30T11:08:57.648-04:00i mostly agree. There are conversations between Pe...i mostly agree. There are conversations between Pete and Harry in season 1, for example, where we see Harry trying very hard to live up to traditional expectations for a loyal husband to a degree that no other character does. There is a parallel between him and Betty in that sense that I did not see before your comment here. I think this is interesting enough that I will expand a bit on it in a new post later today. Thanks for commenting.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-52977648343917592962014-05-28T20:19:00.161-04:002014-05-28T20:19:00.161-04:00I think Weiner set us up to not like Betty because...I think Weiner set us up to not like Betty because she's just so childlike and self-centered—she looks perfect and we want her to be this perfect 1960s homemaker mom, but instead Weiner heightens the focus on her repressed upbringing and how attached she is to ideas of what she thinks she's supposed to be. She's so surface-oriented that it always seems like she's not capable of dealing with her real emotions, and therefore they end up being expressed in a spoiled, childlike manner. We rarely watch her have experiences that we are meant to be as invested in as we are in those of characters like Peggy, Don, Joan, Roger, Pete, etc. Even Pete, who also started as more of a secondary character, has experienced loss and pain and other things that have humanized him and therefore made us more attached to him and more invested in his experience. The problem with characters like Betty and Harry is that they are more reactors than actors—their purpose is to be the person in a scene who feeds off of what the hero is saying, usually Don. It's difficult to know what their inner motivations are--and usually much of what they say or do is for comic relief. I think for that reason people have no problem with hating them, just as people would have no problem with hating anyone if they were only privy to our actions and not our motivations.Laura Carneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02379120283873695437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-64103712684213501832014-05-23T07:50:55.340-04:002014-05-23T07:50:55.340-04:00I agree that Harry has faults but they don't s...I agree that Harry has faults but they don't seem to me to be any worse than Roger's, or Don's or Peggy's faults. Why is he singled out for hatred? <br /><br />When we hate characters like Harry and Betty, I don't think we do so for moral reasons. I think it's character or virtue issues at work.<br /><br />The fascinating thing about Harry, for me, is that he, perhaps more than any other character, starts off trying to be good. Or is he just trying to be nice? In any case, we can see him making a moral struggle and failing whereas other characters whom we admire just do things. We see a finesse in the way that Roger goes about being Roger. When we first saw Harry and Betty we saw characters who have a moral code, a set of rules, that come from outside them that they struggled to live up to.<br /><br />And ... well, I'm still trying to figure all this out. Both seem to have abandoned those codes and now live for something else.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-66535848012494149682014-05-22T12:41:07.382-04:002014-05-22T12:41:07.382-04:00Harry has proven a bunch of times that he's ba...Harry has proven a bunch of times that he's basically a heel. He's chauvinistic (has openly mocked Megan and Joan) and sleeps with his friend's girlfriends. It's ironic that Don calls him loyal because the only thing Harry is loyal to is his own ambitions.Laura Carneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02379120283873695437noreply@blogger.com