tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post3982903895887298775..comments2024-03-12T16:53:52.795-04:00Comments on Crypto-Catholic Libertine: What's wrong with moral neutrality?Jules Aiméhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-30810619035514062742010-07-31T22:18:37.235-04:002010-07-31T22:18:37.235-04:00I found this article about Hauerwas from '07. ...I found this article about Hauerwas from '07. Its an interesting point of view, I hope you can open the link.<br /><br />http://sandalstraps.blogspot.com/2007/02/on-why-gays-as-group-are-morally.htmlBobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-32973903634628774482010-07-30T20:11:00.819-04:002010-07-30T20:11:00.819-04:00You make a very good point, over time the original...You make a very good point, over time the original meaning of words does change just because it is so often misused in common parlance. I think of the philosophical syllogism "begs the question." The way it is used today is not what it originally meant. Also the phrase "I could care less." Originally the phrase was "I couldn't care less" about whatever happened to be the topic of discussion. The way it is used today is supposed to mean the same thing but, in fact, says just the opposite.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-2727751661120028282010-07-30T17:21:16.834-04:002010-07-30T17:21:16.834-04:00ANonymous, you are right about the different sense...ANonymous, you are right about the different senses. <br /><br />One thing that happens in many languages is that history changes the meaning of a word. To be called condescending was once highest praise because it meant that you were generous towards those of a lower station than you. I don't have the ability to look up the history of indoctrinate here but I wonder if it once had a different sense.<br /><br />Of course, there is no reason to assume that the original meaning is better than what a word has evolved to mean.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-78854374599242857322010-07-30T01:11:32.781-04:002010-07-30T01:11:32.781-04:00That's right, the same word can have different...That's right, the same word can have different connotations in different languages. I also think the context in which the word is used can affect the connotation it has, and I guess the connotation a word has would affect the context in which one might use it. So, you say either and I say either....?BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-2509250415395760522010-07-29T22:11:44.200-04:002010-07-29T22:11:44.200-04:00What interested me was that the cognates had diffe...What interested me was that the cognates had different connotations. A similar example is the word decadence. In English it sounds like something a fascist would say, but in Spanish, decadencia is a fairly neutral word that just means decline. I kind of like this etymological stuff anyway, but here I think it can help you see things in a different way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-4999815205881212682010-07-29T21:28:51.093-04:002010-07-29T21:28:51.093-04:00I looked it up, indoctrinate means to teach doctri...I looked it up, indoctrinate means to teach doctrine, esp. uncritically or from the perspective of the teacher's point of view or bias. Educate means to teach or "lead forth."<br /><br />I agree with you that at the end of the day, the student weighs what the professor has said against other theories and his own experience and either accepts it, rejects it, or arrives at a synthesis of all of it, which is what I tend to do.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-80366692452677725292010-07-29T19:39:16.306-04:002010-07-29T19:39:16.306-04:00"Indoctrinate" to teach doctrine to. I l..."Indoctrinate" to teach doctrine to. I like that. Thank you Anonymous.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-21695631249423732402010-07-29T19:27:45.714-04:002010-07-29T19:27:45.714-04:00I tend to think people who disagree with me are wr...I tend to think people who disagree with me are wrong and I'll generally tell them so, although I try to be polite about it.<br /><br />The thing about moral teaching is that at the end of the class, you pack up your books and walk out the door and you can try the stuff you've learned against other theories and against your experience.<br /><br />There is a huge difference between teaching doctrine and what goes in, for example, Cuba or Saudi Arabia.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-27915975794858071002010-07-29T17:43:12.838-04:002010-07-29T17:43:12.838-04:00When I was in Spain I kept on hearing people use t...When I was in Spain I kept on hearing people use the word "adoctrinamiento" much more than I was used to and suddenly I thought, indoctrination just means teaching people doctrine!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-68676728784371922362010-07-29T17:19:31.367-04:002010-07-29T17:19:31.367-04:00This is what bothers me about today's policy w...This is what bothers me about today's policy wonks (and the Supreme Court), they're all coming out of the same mold, i.e., Ive-league schools.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-58108095874101230032010-07-29T17:17:28.932-04:002010-07-29T17:17:28.932-04:00I'm familiar with his website, I've read s...I'm familiar with his website, I've read some good things on it. The argument he presents here, however, falls short in my opinion, because it is the same argument that conservatives use against the liberal professors at the elite colleges, they claim that students are being indoctrinated in what is PC. I don't disagree with that, I know for a fact that students cannot pass some professor's courses--much less comprehensive exams or defend a dissertation--unless they agree--at least on paper--with the professor's views. But I would point out that those professors speak with as much authority as Hauerwas does, and say that anyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.com