tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post326201119920384312..comments2024-03-12T16:53:52.795-04:00Comments on Crypto-Catholic Libertine: Who is better at separating sex and emotion?Jules Aiméhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-39260500081076399892013-06-08T13:28:14.510-04:002013-06-08T13:28:14.510-04:00That's right, Draper isn't a one-night st...That's right, Draper isn't a one-night stand type of guy. His affairs are romantic and they do last for a time, and I think sometimes he tries to make them last longer. But he picks women who, like him because he's married, aren't in a position to offer any kind of committment (the Drs wife), or are philosophically opposed to committment (like Midge in the first season). Its like he wants to have his cake and eat it too.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-79182091587002250722013-06-07T22:26:33.327-04:002013-06-07T22:26:33.327-04:00Its true, I think you have to be young and have bo...Its true, I think you have to be young and have boundless energy to carry it off. I'm single now, and just the thought of starting a new relationship tires me out. Unless.........BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-50728271697632241542013-06-07T22:23:01.199-04:002013-06-07T22:23:01.199-04:00No, I didn't mean to imply that it contradicte...No, I didn't mean to imply that it contradicted anything you said, of course preserving her social stability is one of the reasons why she keeps the man on the hook emotionally.<br /><br />And yes, you are correct, a man needed to be sure the children were actually his especially for inheritance purposes. But there was also concern for the woman the married man might play around with, she had no legal or social standing, and neither she nor her children were entitled to anything in the way of financial support.<br />BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-71050782366057428252013-06-07T17:52:45.836-04:002013-06-07T17:52:45.836-04:00You're right: having an extra-marital affair m...You're right: having an extra-marital affair must be an immense amount of work. I've never done it myself. And I am pretty certain that any woman or man who put as much effort into their existing marriage would get much more for their trouble and be a better and happier person too. But human nature is what it is and so things like this keep happening.<br /><br />Thank you for commenting.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-67340526569191416522013-06-07T17:43:47.913-04:002013-06-07T17:43:47.913-04:00I don't see how a woman getting material well-...I don't see how a woman getting material well-being and, I might add, her own emotional and social stability, contradicts anything I said.<br /><br />I think you are too generous to the earliest biblical proscriptions against adultery in arguing that they were for the good of the woman and children. That was certainly a big part of the point Jesus makes in the Gospel of Matthew but the old testament culture (indeed the entire culture of antiquity) was heavily biased in men's interest. The real purpose of most proscriptions against adultery was to protect a man's interest in ensuring that his children were really his biological children while allowing him a free hand to do pretty much whatever he wanted.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-83206280026652645922013-06-07T17:43:47.347-04:002013-06-07T17:43:47.347-04:00Perhaps it's because my children are very youn...Perhaps it's because my children are very young (and I want a few more babies in the next few years, God willing), but I want to know where these dames find all this energy to have affairs. The idea of setting up another relationship outside my marriage when I don't even drive regularly from the sleep dep is just so alien. Heck, I'm getting tired just posting this drive-by comment, so I'll end here. Marie Everingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714654939843724939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-2124126070530789282013-06-07T17:38:04.204-04:002013-06-07T17:38:04.204-04:00People keep saying things like that about Draper j...People keep saying things like that about Draper just as they keep saying things like his supposedly being only interested in the outward trappings of success. But the actual evidence we see in his character doesn't back up either point. Draper has lots of affairs to be sure but he has romantic affairs and not ones where emotion is separated from the thing. <br /><br />Certainly, he has done it. In the first episode of season 3, for example, when he picks up the stewardess. But that particular affair stands out because it is very different from what he usually does.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-89273824006987124422013-06-07T14:27:36.587-04:002013-06-07T14:27:36.587-04:00Well, I think you're forgetting maybe the obvi...Well, I think you're forgetting maybe the obvious here. When you say "there are women who are good at tying one man down emotionally while having lots of affairs" that is absolutely true. But keeping the man tied down emotionally secures the woman's financial future and material well-being, and her children's as well. The earliest biblical proscriptions against sex outside of marriage were out of concern about who would take care of the woman and children that might ensue, because in those days they had no legal standing or rights to anything. Divorce is still devastating, especially for women and children, but men too. So its not so much different now than in biblical times, all parties have certain rights and obligations, and we don't stone divorcees anymore. But there is an economic issue at play here too, maybe women are more easily able to separate sex from emotions if their financial well-being is at stake, maybe that's an evolutionary adaptation. BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-55780377447924916832013-06-07T13:33:05.441-04:002013-06-07T13:33:05.441-04:00"In fact, I have tended to be deeply in love ..."In fact, I have tended to be deeply in love with women long before any sex happened."<br /><br />That's how its supposed to be. However, in our hookup culture people put the cart before the horse rationalizing that its "just sex," and I agree that women are probably more guilty of this than men.<br /><br />"And the man who can separate sex and emotion could also be described as the man who is unable to connect the two."<br /><br />I agree, and isn't Don Draper a good example of this?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.com