tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post274112229294199583..comments2024-03-12T16:53:52.795-04:00Comments on Crypto-Catholic Libertine: Fern bars (3)Jules Aiméhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-63230014555948853672010-06-18T13:36:21.809-04:002010-06-18T13:36:21.809-04:00I think maybe the relationship between the sexual ...I think maybe the relationship between the sexual revolution and the important political events was the result of many things converging or blossoming at the same time. It was also a time of great prosperity, which allowed people to think about more than just putting food on the table.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-68134066348593778712010-06-18T11:20:12.318-04:002010-06-18T11:20:12.318-04:00I can't pin down a direct relationship either,...I can't pin down a direct relationship either, but it must have been a factor, maybe on a subliminal level. I don't think we can underestimate the impact of the Kinsey Report in 1948 on male sexuality and the one that followed a few years later on female sexuality. Sex was finally out of the closet, and maybe that's when the seeds that blossomed into the sexual revolution of the 70s were sown. But girls fainting when they saw Sinatra pre-dates that, maybe the impact of the two world wars and farm boys going overseas--"How You Gonna Keep Em Down on the Farm" type of thing.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-41096627318771175422010-06-18T06:39:58.050-04:002010-06-18T06:39:58.050-04:00"Sexual revolution" is a difficult term...."Sexual revolution" is a difficult term. You are definitely right that there was something new that happened in the 1970s that did not happen in the 1960s.<br /><br />But the period running from the end of WW2 through the early 1960s seems to have had its own sexual revolution and you could argue that much of the 1960s grew out of that. Those girls fainting for Sinatra, then Elvis, then the Beatles and then The Rolling Stones were responding sexually. Nobody had ever seen anything like that before. This was much noted at the time and the expression used to describe it at the time was "the quiet revolution". It was a huge change that just snuck up while nobody was looking and suddenly it was everywhere.<br /><br />The relationship between these cultural factors and the really important political events you correctly highlight is, well, I don't know what it is.Jules Aiméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08262535377454858987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-52996621398868014472010-06-18T01:18:08.137-04:002010-06-18T01:18:08.137-04:00What's interesting is that the first component...What's interesting is that the first component of the 60s rebellion in the US was the Civil Rights movement started by Martin Luther King. As he often said, this was grounded in Christian theology and started in the Black churches of the South. The 2nd part of the 60s rebellion in the US was the war in Viet Nam, and those protests began on the college campuses. However, both Civil Rights and opposition to the war in Viet Nam became "mainstream" and it was not uncommon to see priests and nuns and other "grown ups" participating in the protests. Dr. King himself eventually expessed his opposition to the war before he was killed, and Bobby Kennedy ran against LBJ on a platform of getting the US out of Viet Nam before he was killed.<br /><br />The sexual revolution didn't really get going here until the 70s.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-58753394336972788642010-06-18T01:03:09.077-04:002010-06-18T01:03:09.077-04:00"And, much as Marcus pretends otherwise, the ..."And, much as Marcus pretends otherwise, the 1960s rebellion was mostly an elite thing that played out in a small number of elite universities of industrialized nations."<br /><br />I agree, although here in the US it spread to most of the non-elite colleges as well. But it was definitely started and subsequently fueled by the children of at least some degree of priveledge to have been in college. Those who weren't were in Viet Nam.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696956101824934089.post-23404150153070382702010-06-18T00:51:55.214-04:002010-06-18T00:51:55.214-04:00Yes, I suspect you're right. Not unlike here, ...Yes, I suspect you're right. Not unlike here, where middle-class people in the 50s and 60s who lived in or near NYC saved up for months for a "night on the town" which was short for dinner at a fine restaurant and dancing, and then go back home, maybe by subway, to their one bedroom apartment with no a/c in the Bronx.<br /><br />I'm not sure what point Greil Marcus was trying to make comparing kids in the 20s and 30s to kids in the 40s and 50s. Patrick Dennis was part of an elite class who could afford to go to college. In the 30s kids who were not part of that class were working helping their families survive the Great Depression. In the 40s they were fighting a war and in the 50s they began to build their lives, get jobs, and make babies, who were the baby boomers.BobinCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349641483981235572noreply@blogger.com